My Painful Podcast Adventure and Why I LOVE the Personal Finance Community

Okay, this post is pretty off topic, but I know many of my readers will find it interesting. I recently did a brief interview with Pete at Do You Even Blog for an upcoming episode of his podcast. Little did I realize how stressful it would be!

Acting Before Thinking

Sometime last week Pete tweeted out that, he was looking for three PF-bloggers for an upcoming podcast episode. Well, as an avid listener of his podcast, I decided to throw my hat into the ring.

(Shoutout: Go subscribe to the Do You Even Blog podcast – it’s fantastic!)

I replied to his tweet and then sent him an email right away and all was set. I mean how amazing is it that I could be on the same podcast as people like Michelle Schroeder-Gardner, Nick Loper, or PT Money?

Well, one problem: I am a HUGE introvert and pretty much despise public speaking, or even talking on the phone. Yeah, absolutely hate talking on the phone and public speaking. So, what the hell am I doing signing up for a podcast?!

I thought, “Well Pete’s a pretty amiable guy, so it won’t be too bad.” Besides, it will be good practice and I am sure if I do poorly, Pete will have a backup plan. (I actually have no idea right now if any of that is true, likely not though.) So I sat tight and waited for the time we scheduled to chat.

Time for Talking

Pete and I booked a time for a Monday afternoon, around 4 pm. Since I work from 9-6 or so, I needed to also book a conference room at work and do my 20-minute session with Pete. I picked some smaller room, seemingly far away from most activity. Lo and behold, at 4 pm the president of the company is kicking it across the hall from the conference room I booked, chatting away with some other exec. Not really worried about it, just a bad sign. 😐

Pete and I connect on Skype and we chat for a brief moment before diving into the topic at hand: How the PF community has helped or hurt my blogging efforts. If you get a chance to listen to the interview, sorry for the weak voice, as I said, I get nervous. Moreover, what else happens when you get nervous? Your mind gets fuzzy and thoughts are difficult to produce, i.e. brain fog.

We wrapped up quickly and I went right back to the office work at hand. With all of the adrenaline pumping, I actually got a fair amount done before I went home two hours later.

Immediate Regret

So, the majority of this post I actually penned down on my commute home. I literally could not stop thinking about what just happened and all the stupid things I said. (I couldn’t even remember too much of what I said – thanks, brain fog.) I pulled over, parked, and wrote this all down just stream of conscious to get it off my mind – hoping it would help relieve some of my anxiety. (I actually pulled over a second time because my mind wasn’t fully cleared!)


An unedited portion from that moment:

So, it’s been about two hours since I wrapped up chatting with Pete at DYEB. And only about 24-36 hours since I thought it was a smart idea to say. “Hey, Pete! I’d love to be interviewed for your podcast!”

I am sitting here thinking, should I email Pete and tell him to scrap my audio. Am I too scared to get my voice out there? To face the reactions to my thoughts, because I think I said something stupid? Well, I am going to email Pete. I am going to thank him for letting me on his podcast – any press is good press? (I also trust Pete. He is going to answer me honestly, if I ask him whether I bombed it, and whether he thinks I am going to burn bridges.)

But, this blog is more hobby than business. Would I like money? Sure. But in reality I’d like to contribute and be a part of this personal finance community. I am afraid of being “kicked out.”

Okay, I was being dramatic. I did not totally bomb the interview. However, I was likely quite boring and a shaky nervous voice does not make for pleasant listening.

Anyway, Pete was nice, nice, nice about the whole thing when I did eventually email him. So hopefully, when the episode is released it will be edited so I don’t sound like such a nervous doofus. But, just in case – Pete I am sorry for a poor interview. And for anyone who listens – I am sorry for your boredom during my segment. 😛

I LOVE the Personal Finance Community

Funny thing. I wrote a whole page of notes before Pete and I even started. My list of helpful to blogging things that the PF community does was MUCH longer than the not helpful. Then during the interview, I focused on the negatives. No idea why. Guess I felt like being adverse. Hence, my concern of being “kicked out.”

So let me offer up an apology.

You, the personal finance community, are amazing. You create invaluable content. You leave authentic and supportive comments. Twitter is always a laugh riot. Everyone is so nice. So yes, I did discuss a certain percentage of comments being disingenuous. However, MOST of you are super-genuine. Moreover, I am certainly hypocritical of my aforementioned critique. No doubt, I’ve left comments on popular blogs trying to build some traffic.

I cannot recall all the positives items from my list, but a few I remember: Rockstar Community Fund, Camp Mustache, FINCON, and the new Lola Retreat. All of these events are life changing for so many people who attend. We all know how much work blogging requires, how much dedication achieving FIRE demands, yet we all support each other wholeheartedly despite coming from wildly diverse backgrounds. You restore my faith in people’s kindness.

I appreciate everything the personal finance community stands for. We want to educate, we want to help, and we want to inspire. Without this community, I wouldn’t find myself in such a healthy financial state. There are so many bona fide bloggers and community members that they far outweigh any of the negatives. In fact, it’s the authentic bloggers that manage to stick around because they’re doing this because of a passion, not for the allure of easy money.

Thank you, Personal Finance Community!


For the many uplifting comments. For the willingness to collaborate. For being our own best cheerleaders. I realize blogging takes true hustle, and writing comments, social media engagement, etc. is essential to success. I’m glad to consider myself a member of this community.


I’ll leave you with this final stream of conscious from that day:

It’s now 2-3 hours later and I am still amped up, my heart racing or maybe just heavy. My thoughts are still a little fuzzy. Maybe I didn’t crush it out of the park. Maybe I did burn a few bridges with some abrasive comments. However, I pushed myself to do something new. It didn’t hurt, but damn was it uncomfortable. Maybe I’ll do it again. Maybe I won’t. At least I tried and next time I will be a little better.

See you in the comments!


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25 Replies to “My Painful Podcast Adventure and Why I LOVE the Personal Finance Community”

  1. Hey Zed I havent heard the interview but I am also loving Pete’s Podcast. Regardless of how good or bad you thought it was, you put yourself out there. Rarely is anyone great at something when they first get started. How many times have you been interviewed for a podcast? How many times have you been interviewed with someone recording? Probably zero. Some of my favorite parts blog posts or podcasts are when popular bloggers share how terrible they were when they started. It gives me hope and helps me realize they didnt just get to where they are. They worked and grew to get there. Look forward to reading more of your stuff and listening to the podcast.

    1. Thanks, Eric! Appreciate the comments! Community rules!

      Episode is not out yet, but when it is I will be the last to listen… 😛

      I agree DYEB is awesome, Pete is a great host and he keeps nailing down great guests (and asks them killer questions). Definelty my first time on a podcast. I didn’t even start listening to podcasts until this year!

      I’ve actually been interviewed and recorded before. However, that went to text copy so it was not so bad. In fact I kind of crushed that interview. (Wish I could share it, because the end result was impressive!)

      I’m a little bit interested in doing another podcast now. Also really wish I had some cool voice transformer thing. I should get one of these next time and do video as well:

  2. K, I got several things:

    1 – You did fine 🙂

    2 – Most of the negative feelings you had after the call ended were my fault.

    For one, the format was tough, and I wouldn’t do it again in the future (not just because of your call, but because of all the 15-25 min calls).

    One of the top requirements for being a “good” interviewer (which is what I’m aiming for down the road of course) is the ability to make people comfortable.

    What I’ve noticed over my interviews so far is that it takes people a solid 25-35 minutes to forget about the microphone.

    (If I were a better interviewer, I could probably pull it off in 10 mins or so)

    Also, they were kind of lame questions on my part. I didn’t spend a lot of time nailing down how each conversation was going to go, and it showed.

    My fault for sure 🙂

    That said, I am still going to release the episode, as there’s definitely value there! It’ll sound good as well 🙂

    1. Oh oh oh, and several interview guests have told me afterward how nervous, hesitant, and scared they were.

      It’s a TOTALLY different feeling hopping on a recorded, live interview. Way different than blogging.

      It’s super, super hard to hop on a 15 minute call and just “deliver.” I sure as hell can’t do it, and people that can are called TV anchors.

      We should skype again soon though, for longer! And also, DO record tips for Daily Blog Tips

      1. Yeah – I kinda want to get back on there (and maybe some other podcasts). Maybe in a few months – after I’ve put some serious time back into this site. Kinda got some momentum going and need to keep it up to see what happens.

        Definitely getting some blog tips – just need to find the time!

        Thanks for stopping in and commenting. Looking forward to the episode? 😛

  3. I always feel freaked out after interviews for jobs. The more freaked out i get usually means I wanted the job more.

    … those are the ones I usually get a callback for 🙂
    It’s all in your head and wouldn’t dwell on it.
    Can’t wait to hear the episode! Bet you did awesome!

    1. Strange – the opposite for me. When I really want it, I tend to get all flustered and awkward. When I am not too interested, I usually crush it because my mind is clear and I am aware of what I am saying and conveying.

      Definitely not dwelling on this. Great experience and stepping stone for more.

  4. Props for putting yourself out there. I saw the same tweets, thought the same thoughts about being an introvert, and immediately passed. Most people, myself definitely included, need to work harder at doing things that scare them. Nice job pushing against that.

    1. Thanks – I appreciate the comment. It really wasn’t terrible looking back, but at the moment – yeah I felt it. I’m sure I’ll always have a bit of stage fright, but maybe I can learn to manage it in a better way.

  5. I still get nervous doing these things! My preferred medium is the written word, and I always think I do so awful after I “hang up the phone.”
    Want to know something that’s hopefully encouraging, though? Because I tear myself apart so badly, once the podcast goes live and I listen to it, I don’t come off as big of an a$$ as I thought I would. Listen to yours when it comes out–even though it’s going to be anxiety-inducing leading up to it. I bet you’ll be pleasantly surprised at how it turned out.
    I’m going to listen to it, too–excited to, actually. And I wouldn’t worry too much about giving negative feedback. It’s good to focus on the positive, but I think it’s important to be real about what’s going on around us, too. That’s why we all started blogging in the first place, right? ?

    1. Yes, always going to be nervous, so I should figure out a way to handle it more… elegantly. 😛

      I do agree with the negative/positive feedback, honesty is pretty much the only path forward. But sometimes the delivery of the truth can be jarring or downright rude. I am pretty sure I did okay with the podcast. I also prefer avoiding conflict, so my instinct was to recoil at whatever little-truths I spoke. Fingers crossed!

      Thanks for the encouragement. 😀

  6. First of all, you should feel awesome for doing the podcast! I can imagine how hard it it would be for an introvert so you should feel proud for going through with it.

    And I’m sure you sound fine. I’ll listen with a supportive hear ?

  7. Heyyy, first podcast, that’s awesome! I can definitely relate with the fluster when on the spot, I can be perfectly prepared and when the moment comes, I have a tough time remaining calm and clear.

    And I agree, the PF community is the best ?

    1. It is pretty awesome – I am thinking #2 (should the opportunity arise) will need to be in 2018. Maybe by then, I’ll be cool and composed. 😛

      PF Community is Best Community!!!

  8. Congrats on landing the interview! (and making it through in one piece) I look forward to listening. I would probably be just as nervous.

    Thanks for sharing and for being thankful! “At least I tried and next time I will be a little better.” – that’s the important part. Thoughtfully good post.

    1. Thanks! Hopefully, your listening experience is a good one.

      I really just wanted to share this, because I think many people are afraid to do similar things. I actually just listened to a good TED Radio Hour podcast about introverts – we are the other 50% (but you wouldn’t know it)! 😛

  9. I’m going on a couple in the next month. I’ll do the best I can and forget about the rest. You can laugh at me when it’s on the air. One of them includes video…

    Also, agreed on the not so genuine blog comments. I have a commenter who I’m pretty sure doesn’t read my posts.

    1. Dude, congrats, can’t wait to listen to whatever you have coming up. I actually think with video would have been better, but I really don’t want my face out there yet.

      I will be sure to laugh. 😀

  10. Don’t worry! Being nervous is totally normal as is second guessing every response you can barely remember.

    My first podcast my voice was shaky and it sounded like I was on the verge of tears the entire time (because I was!). The subject matter my interviewer wanted to talk about was fresh. I had just spilled my guts on my blog in writing but didn’t realize I wasn’t ready to speak in person. Oh well! It’s out there and the only thing I could do was get better. The second time around I was able to speak without the shaky voice but I said “girl”, referring to the interviewers, about 50 times. Ugh. This last time I was interviewed by friends after two glasses of wine. It has yet to air but I’ve already pleaded for the episode to never see the light of day and have been vetoed. Back to sticking my head in the sand! Does it ever get easier? ! Maybe for some. I am sure yours will be just fine and, if not, someone will come right behind you to mess up their own. 😉

    1. Love it! I missed your podcasts – so now I am going to find them. 😉

      I really appreciate this comment, because this shit is kinda scary. And I know I am not alone in thinking that, so thanks for coming to share your stories! Thank you so much for leaving me this note, girl! 😀

  11. I’m so excited for your interview! I did an interview with Pete as well and was REALLY nervous in the beginning. After the conversation ended, I just couldn’t forgive myself for saying or not saying certain things for DAYS afterwards. But I can’t go back and undo it, so I just moved on with my life.

    Other fellow PF bloggers are really easygoing and will be supportive of you. Looking forward to the episode! ^.^

    1. Thanks! I definitely listened to your interview, and you and Lily did awesomely! So if I can be somewhere near as good, then I will be content. And like you said, I can’t go back now – so why waste my time worrying.

      Thank you for coming in to support me! 🙂

  12. I’ve gone conducted trials in court and approached pretty girls who were way out of my league at bars and I’m fairly certain that being interviewed on a podcast would make me wayyyy more nervous! Nevertheless, I’m still anxiously looking forward to my first time in the hot seat. Here’s to your next interview opportunity!


    1. Thanks, Cato! Public speaking is pretty unusual for me – so hopefully, with practice, I can become better. If not, no big deal. (It’s clearly not an important aspect of my present or future life.)

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